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rheasilvia ([personal profile] rheasilvia) wrote2008-10-11 05:48 pm
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Winnetou and Old Shatterhand picspam

After a long search, I have at last found high-quality pictures of Winnetou and Old Shatterhand! And I want to share them - only partly because I harbor a vague hope that someone will feel inspired to make icons, which I will then be able to snag. *g*

Warning! This is picspam of the worst kind. Dial-up users beware.



Who are these people?

Most of you, I suspect, have no idea who these people are or why they are posing so dramatically.

Let me explain: This is my first OTP, the true and slashy OTP of my childhood, from long before I imagined such a thing as slash existed. The deep friendship and love between Charlie – aka Old Shatterhand, legendary hero of the Wild West – and Winnetou, great Chief of the Apaches, lies at the heart of a series of 19th-century adventure novels by Karl May.



In Germany, Karl May is a household name, and his books are still read by most children today. There are several Karl May festivals where scenes from his books are enacted outdoors, with horses, shooting and everything. In the 1960s, there was a series of movies, some better than others - and that's where most of these pictures come from. :-)

When I was young I read and re-read Karl May's books obsessively, again and again, to the point where I know passages by heart even now. The "Winnetou" trilogy was among my favorites.



May isn't historically accurate (or accurate in any other way), and of course he isn't politically correct by today's standards - though by the standards of his time, he was very progressive. But he wrote damn fine adventure novels, as well as entirely lovely sentimental accounts of an epic friendship between men from two different worlds. And because they were written in the 19th century, the first person narrator is not at all shy about expressing his love for his friend.

Beware of bad 'translations'...

I recommend these books highly. There's a translation problem, however, so be careful when choosing your reading material...

Most of the major May books have recently been translated by an Australian team of translators and are available in an affordable PDF/e-book format. I bought Winnetou I - I haven't read it all the way through, but my impression so far is that it's a solid translation that's worth the money. (If you want to give this translation a try and run into problems, drop me a line! The online shop isn't the best, and there was a problem with the download link they sent me, but everything worked out in the end.)

There's a number of other translations that I'm less satisfied with (such as the one by David Koblick, who happily states that he "left out the boring bits"), as well as some I've spotted but haven't checked out. Most of them are probably okay. But be warned! If you ever come across an English translation of Karl May's "Winnetou" (or other Wild West) books, check if it features a certain Jack Hildreth. If it does, drop it like a live coal - it's not a translation, it's a horrible travesty undeserving of the name "adaptation" that destroys everything that is interesting and fun about the books. It even replaces the hero with someone else entirely.

If, on the other hand...


Slashiness

Warning: adjective overload to follow.



If, on the other hand, the hero is called Charlie and rhapsodizes for pages on end about his beloved friend, the most noble, honest, just, courageous, strong, intelligent, loyal and brave of men, with skin of the loveliest bronze, velvety dark eyes, glorious blue-black hair, a sleekly muscular and supple physique, beautifully and yet modestly clad in lovingly described garments... bearing no sign of his standing, yet needing none, as it is immediately obvious that he is far from being an ordinary warrior, being rather so very obviously the most noble and most kingly of men... with features stamped by a rare male beauty... then you are in the right place.

This kind of thing goes on for pages more or less whenever Winnetou appears. You think I am exaggerating?

Allow me to present a direct quote about Winnetou's lips:
"The gentle, lovingly mild and yet so energetic bow of his lips was always visible, those half-full, I want to say kissable lips"...

Yes, this is a direct quote. I kid you not.

Enough said. :-)





On to the picspam!

Spoiler warning: One set of pictures gives away a major plot point of "Winnetou III" - but since it's a plot point that's immediately announced at the beginning of "Winnetou I", it doesn't really qualify as a spoiler IMO. Still, proceed at your own risk!


Introducing our heroes

Charlie (Karl), also known as Old Shatterhand for his amazing ability to strike his enemies unconscious with a single blow of the fist. Called "Scharlie" by Winnetou (usually in a soft tone of voice never otherwise heard).



Winnetou ("Burning Water"), great Chief of the Mescalero Apaches, beloved blood brother of Charlie.




Winnetou and Iltschi, his noble steed.



Old Shatterhand and his noble steed, Hatatitla. Hatatitla was Winnetou's first present to his blood brother and is Iltschi's twin brother.



Winnetou and his fabled weapon, the "Silberbuechse" ("Silver Rifle", adorned with numerous decorative silver nails). Old Shatterhand can recognize the unique sound of Winnetou's rifle from many miles away.



Old Shatterhand and his fabled weapon. Or rather, one of them, because he has four: his fists, the "Henrystutzen" ("Henry-Rifle", which fires 25 shots without reloading and is the only weapon of its kind), and the "Baerentoeter" ("Bear Killer", a heavy single-shot rifle). Of course Winnetou recognizes the sounds made by (or bruises left by) all of these weapons.


And, as a special bonus: Winnetou behind a rather fake-looking boulder.



Winnetou and Old Shatterhand

They belong together, of course.





Not long after their tempestuous first meeting, characterized by near-fatal misunderstandings - as well as immediate and deep mutual admiration - our two heroes become blood brothers.


Winnetou's father and sister, Chief Intschu-tschuna and Nscho-tschi, look on approvingly.


From then on, the two are inseparable.





They even share the same vices. ;-)




Our heroes with other people

Occasionally, other people intrude.


Old Surehand and Winnetou.



Old Shatterhand and Sam Hawkens. It's not what it looks like. Honest.


Winnetou and a hopelessly star-struck fan.



Tragedy strikes...
From "Winnetou III" - the one Karl May book that I usually only re-read halfway, because I just couldn't bear to read on.





Assorted images

Back to happier times... because sometimes, even heroes are dorks.



Some heroes have Bad Hair Days, too. *g*


An artist's version of the "blood brothers" scene. Winnetou's hair is far more true to the books here than in the movies, probably because this hair-style is, in fact, impossible to wear in real life – or even in movies.


Movie posters for "Winnetou I + II" and "Der Schatz im Silbersee" ("The Treasure in Silver Lake").





The author

This is Karl May himself. Yes, he is dressed as Old Shatterhand. That's because Old Shatterhand is a big ol' Mary Sue.


The fact that May's hero Old Shatterhand's given name is Karl, or Charlie, is no coincidence: Karl May actually claimed to be identical with his narrator and to have lived through all of the recounted adventures.

I dare say no-one really believed this, though. Or would you believe this man could fell his enemies with one blow of a fist?


Der Schuh des Manitu

This relatively recent movie - released in 2001 - is a parody of the older Karl May movies, and was a huge success in Germany. The film was released in the US under the name "Manitou's Shoe", but I doubt anyone understood what the point was, let alone what was supposed to be funny about it - most of the humor requires knowledge of Karl May and the older movie versions, or is based on untranslatable puns and regional dialects.



Note the typical pose of Our Heroes at the Marterpfahl (stake? torture pole? totem pole? is there truly no word for this thing in English?), where they have just been bickering like an old couple over just whose fault it is they always end up tied to stakes. (Winnetou and Old Shatterhand managed to get into such fixes with astonishing regularity, though of course there was no bickering. Just manly endurance, pride and confidence in each other's strength and abilities, and dramatic escapes in the nick of time.)

The parody even includes a slash fangirl. *g*
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[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/solo____/ 2008-10-11 04:14 pm (UTC)(link)
FIRST!!!!!

You did it, yay!!!!!!!!!!

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/ari_/ 2008-10-11 04:19 pm (UTC)(link)
... warum? Warum tust du mir das an?

Or: if you *have* to bring back all my 11-year-old starry-eyed fangirlness, do you at least have a great long slashstory for me to read? (or 10, or 20, or 500?)

Otherwise, no fun making me want what doesn't exist!

(stuff posted to querstrich doesn't count, I've seen it)

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/ari_/ 2008-10-11 04:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Winnetou and a hopelessly star-struck fan.

sag, ist das ein junger Terrence Hill?

...

Terrence Hill/Bud Spencer. ... will ich wissen, ob das wer jemals geschrieben hat?
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[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/solo____/ 2008-10-11 04:31 pm (UTC)(link)
And now that I got my 'first' comment in, a more sober reply.

And as somebody whose first slash fandom it was, too (I was seven! SEVEN!!! Okay, the slash came a bit later.) I wholly applaud your attempt to get more people into this. I hope it works! :-)

Funnily enough, I had a chance during the CW day school today to bring up Karl May, because one of my students is actually from Germany. Unfortunately, she said it had 'never been her thing'. I didn't sulk openly....
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[identity profile] rheasilvia.livejournal.com 2008-10-11 04:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, at last! Took me long enough. :-)
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[identity profile] rheasilvia.livejournal.com 2008-10-11 04:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Weil ich grausam und sadistisch veranlagt bin?

do you at least have a great long slashstory for me to read?

Hah, I wish. If you find any, please please please let me know... beyond canon, which is basically one long slash story without the sex, I only know of the homoerotic Arno Schmidt "interpretation" "Sitara und der Weg dorthin", which I strongly suspect is a parody of literary critisicm, but which is still very... interesting. And definitely funny. *g*

Otherwise, no fun making me want what doesn't exist!

What can I say... at least we're in the same boat!

[identity profile] gwendolen.livejournal.com 2008-10-11 04:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Jedes mal, wenn ich Terence Hill/Bud Spencer erwähne, schauen mich immer alle gaaaanz entsetzt an und sagen *eeeewwww*. Kann ich gar nicht verstehen ;-)
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[identity profile] rheasilvia.livejournal.com 2008-10-11 04:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Ja, das ist er. :-)

will ich wissen, ob das wer jemals geschrieben hat?

LOL! Ich vermute schon, dass du das wissen willst, ja. Ob es jemand geschrieben hat wage ich dagegen zu bezweifeln... aber solltest du etwas finden, lass es mich wissen. :-)

[identity profile] gwendolen.livejournal.com 2008-10-11 04:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Wheeeew, auch eine meiner großen ersten Lieben. Die beiden waren doch so romatisch, auch wenn mir als Kind nie so ganz klar war, was ich da eigentlich gelesen habe. Ich wusste nur, dass Winnetou und Old Shatterhand zusammengehörten.
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[identity profile] rheasilvia.livejournal.com 2008-10-11 04:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Na ja, mein Ding ist Bud Spencer auch nicht wirklich. .-)
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[identity profile] rheasilvia.livejournal.com 2008-10-11 04:55 pm (UTC)(link)
I hope it works too! I suspect only people who are already fans will be interested, but hey, you never know. And even if nobody new finds the fandom - at least I've shared some pretty pics. :-)

she said it had 'never been her thing'. I didn't sulk openly....

People can be so strange. Being a teacher is a very tough job sometimes...
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[identity profile] rheasilvia.livejournal.com 2008-10-11 05:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Es ist eindeutig die Geschichte einer großen Liebe... dass der Sex fehlt ist dabei vollkommen nebensächlich. In diesem Fandom habe ich in äußerst jungen Jahren sogar meine erste Fanfic verbrochen, ohne jemals zu wissen, dass ich überhaupt Fanfic schrieb. :-)

Ich wusste nur, dass Winnetou und Old Shatterhand zusammengehörten.

Ja, das tun sie wirklich! Ich habe jedes Mal schrecklich geheult, wenn Winnetou gestorben ist - ob in Buch oder Film. Furchtbar, dass Old Shatterhand allein zurückgelassen wird...

[identity profile] gwendolen.livejournal.com 2008-10-11 05:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Ja, das tun sie wirklich! Ich habe jedes Mal schrecklich geheult, wenn Winnetou gestorben ist - ob in Buch oder Film. Furchtbar, dass Old Shatterhand allein zurückgelassen wird...

So ging es mir auch. Winnetou III konnte ich auch nie ganz lesen, oder mir die Folge ganz anschauen ohne loszuheuelen. Und mich hat auch die Sache mit der Winnetous Schwester gestört. Warum sie, wenn er doch ihren Bruder so sehr liebt. DAs machte einfach nie Sinn.
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[identity profile] dragonaph.livejournal.com 2008-10-11 05:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Ich erinnere mich noch bildhaft, wie der gute Pierre Brice bei Wetten Dass fürchterlich auf Bully Herbig losgegangen ist, weil, wie kann er es wagen, einen so noblen Helden wie Winnetou mit solch abwegigen sexuellen Anspielungen zu versehen und muss denn alles immer mit Sex zu tun haben? Yaddayadda...
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[identity profile] mella68.livejournal.com 2008-10-11 05:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Yup, das war Terrence Hill, in dem Film noch unter seinem Originalnamen Mario Girotti.
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[identity profile] mella68.livejournal.com 2008-10-11 06:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Das war ein total schöner Picspam. Schon als Kind habe ich diese beiden geliebt. Und natürlich später in slashiger HInsicht noch mehr. Es gibt übrigens auch wunderschöne deutsche Fanfics zu den beiden.
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[personal profile] cordelia_v 2008-10-11 07:38 pm (UTC)(link)
This is marvelous; you do such a great job of conveying the attractions of this OTP. Thank you so much!

Can you tell me anything more about the May fandom in Germany? I'm curious, because it's so huge compared to other older literary fandoms.
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[identity profile] rheasilvia.livejournal.com 2008-10-11 07:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Echt? Hab ich gar nicht mitbekommen. :-) Ja klar, so noble Helden sind natürlich völlig geschlechtslos!

Na, es sei Pierre Brice verziehen... ich sehe ihm einiges dafür nach, dass er Winnetou mit solcher Inbrunst verkörpert. :-)
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[identity profile] rheasilvia.livejournal.com 2008-10-11 07:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Warum sie, wenn er doch ihren Bruder so sehr liebt.

Er konnte ja den Bruder nicht heiraten. :-) Hmm, Nscho-tschi hat mich nie gestört - ich mochte sie auch, und ich fand nicht, dass sie zwischen Winnetou und Old Shatterhand stand. Für mich war sie mehr so etwas wie eine weibliche Erweiterung von Winnetou. ;-)
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[identity profile] rheasilvia.livejournal.com 2008-10-11 07:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Die beiden waren offenbar für eine erstaunlich große Menge deutschsprachiger Fans die Einstiegsdroge. *g* Freut mich, dass der Picspam dir gefällt! :-)

Es gibt übrigens auch wunderschöne deutsche Fanfics zu den beiden.

Wo, wo? Ich kenne nur ganz wenige sehr kurze Fanfics - wenn es mehr gibt, wäre ich für Hinweise sehr dankbar!
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[identity profile] mella68.livejournal.com 2008-10-11 08:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Ich kenne nur die von [livejournal.com profile] aislingde auf [livejournal.com profile] fanfic_de. Ich schätze mal, das sind auch die, die du kennst.
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[identity profile] rheasilvia.livejournal.com 2008-10-11 08:33 pm (UTC)(link)
You're very welcome! I'm very glad you like my picspam - it's my first attempt at anything of the kind, and I'm happy to hear that I managed to get the attraction this pairing holds across. :-)

Hm, I'm actually not very knowledgable when it comes to Karl May fandom, I'm afraid. I know it's there and that it's very large and active, complete with the afore-mentioned festivals and a bunch of regular publications and meets and other such fannish activities of all kinds. But I've never been in it - I'm mostly a fanfic and slash fan, and sadly, Karl May fandom doesn't seem to do much in that playing field. Sorry I can't be more help!

I just checked a couple of links, but sadly, all of the potentially interesting stuff is in German. But have a look here (http://www.karl-may-gesellschaft.de/kmg/sprachen/englisch/index.htm) for a bit of information, at least...
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[personal profile] cordelia_v 2008-10-11 09:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, sorry! I should have mentioned that I read German fluently. I have read the Winnetou series, and some of his other books, and I was admiring how well you convey the attractiveness of this pairing, and the incredible slashiness of the canon.

If there are any sites in German that you'd recommend, I'd be interested. I had noticed that KM fandom is not so much about fanfiction, just from what I've seen of it. It seems to be more about performance, costumes, different versions of retelling the stories (open air performances, movies, and other venues). I'd love to know more about the Karl May days that are held each summer. I wondered what fans did there.
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[identity profile] rheasilvia.livejournal.com 2008-10-11 11:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah, I see! Sorry, I should have asked - I shouldn't assume people in fandom don't speak German, because often enough they do. :-)

the incredible slashiness of the canon

Isn't it, though? It hardly needs slash fanfic at all - though I would definitely want to read that, if only there were any!

Basically, my knowledge of KM fandom ends pretty much with what you describe. I've read a couple of essays and articles and attended one fannish lecture at university ages ago, and that's pretty much it - perhaps the most interesting thing here is that the lecture hall was absolutely packed, mostly by young and young-ish men. *g*

There's a brief overview of the fannish scene here (http://www.karl-may-gesellschaft.de/kmg/pinnwand/intmue.htm), and a forum that seems fairly lively over here (http://www.karl-may-stiftung.de/diskussionsforen/index.php). The Karl May Gesellschaft (http://www.karl-may-gesellschaft.de/) seems to be the right starting point for any and all further studies...

[identity profile] aislingde.livejournal.com 2008-10-11 11:19 pm (UTC)(link)
*blush* das sehe ich jetzt als Kompliment, dass du dich an die Storys erinnerst.

[livejournal.com profile] trobadora hat hier (http://trobadora.livejournal.com/93320.html) einen Karl May Fanfic Index erstellt. Es sind doch mehr Storys als man denkt. In den Kommentaren gibt es auch noch einige weitere Links, da der Index nur sporadisch upgedated wird.

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